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Friday, March 12, 2010
Group 1
1) Hindley has treated Heathcliff abominably and deserves any punishment that Heathcliff might inflict upon him.
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I disagree with the statement that Heathcliff has the right to inflict any form of harm or revenge upon Hindley due to the fact that he has treated Heathcliff abominably. It's a fact that in many situations, Hindley believes he is inferior than Heathcliff and finds himself better than him in all aspects, it gives no right for Heathcliff to be able to show him who's boss because by Heathcliff acting out in the same kind of manner, it will only lead to both of them inflicting harm upon each other and no problem will be solved due to the continuous cycle.
I agree with Christine that Hindly doesn't deserve any form of punishment that Heathcliff may or may not inflict on him. I think that because Hindly didn't recieve the same kind of love and affection as Heathcliff did when they were children, Hindly believes that he has that right to punish his brother out of jealousy so he can receieve some sort of satisfaction of pay back: "He has been blaming our father for treating H. too liberally; and swears he will reduce him to his right place-" (19). As a child, Heathcliff already recieved the good end of the spectrum by being treated well by his father and shouldn't punish Heathcliff just for being jealous, regardless if Hindly treated Heathcliff unfairly.
But I believe that Hindley deserves any punishment that Heathcliff would inflict on him. Hindley had always treated Heathcliff atrociously and even at his young age, Heathcliff never reacted back to Hindley's blows or pinches, but acted "as if he had hurt himself by accident and nobody was to blame" (34). I do agree that Hindley was only concerned about Heathcliff's presence in the family as well as their relationships because Earnshaw had believed Heathcliff and "petted him up far above Cathy" (34). So Heathcliff can punish him for what Hindley had done to him, but his revenge should not exceed to something higher as a murder.
I disagree with you Jijil because no matter what treatment they were given when they were young, it doesn't constitute any form of revenge. It is typical for siblings to fight, but by continuing to take revenge on the other it just prolongs the wrong behavior, as Christine said, in a continuous cycle. Getting revenge on Hindley won't solve any problems between the brothers or even make the jealousy and animosity decrease, it will just cause more problems between Heathcliff and Hindley.
I believe that Hindley has treated Heathcliff abominably, however that does not give him the right to do whatever he wants to him. Just because you are treated unfairly it doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want to the person who did wrong to you. Hindley treats Heathcliff very badly and in result, "he seemed a sudden patient child; hardened, perhaps, to ill treatment" (34). This shows that Hindley has tormented Heathcliff so much that he is now a different person. I believe that revenge should be equal or less bad/evil than the first act received. Therefore Heathcliff is subject to revenge however, it should not be any punishment at all. For example, murder is too extreme because no one was killed previous to this, making murder unnecessary.
I also disagree with Jijil because i feel it is unfair for anyone to give any treatment they feel is necessary to some one they are seeking revenge on. I do, however, agree with Jenna and Christine when they said it was like a continuous circle. I think that Hindely might take Heathcliff's revenge as an opportunity for him to get revenge back which shows how the cycle will keep going. I also think it is somewhat demoralizing to treat people with inhumane cruelty which is another reason I do not think Heathcliff has the right to do whatever he wants for revenge on Hindley.
I understand that my claim was wrong and right now, I do believe that Heathcliff has no right to avenge upon Hindley. But I still believe Heathcliff can bring out revenge on Hindley, because he has been treated harshly most of his childhood. But do you think Heathcliff taking care of the Earnshaw house and Hareton is the right way to execute the revenge?
I disagree with the statement that Heathcliff has the right to inflict any form of harm or revenge upon Hindley due to the fact that he has treated Heathcliff abominably. It's a fact that in many situations, Hindley believes he is inferior than Heathcliff and finds himself better than him in all aspects, it gives no right for Heathcliff to be able to show him who's boss because by Heathcliff acting out in the same kind of manner, it will only lead to both of them inflicting harm upon each other and no problem will be solved due to the continuous cycle.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Christine that Hindly doesn't deserve any form of punishment that Heathcliff may or may not inflict on him. I think that because Hindly didn't recieve the same kind of love and affection as Heathcliff did when they were children, Hindly believes that he has that right to punish his brother out of jealousy so he can receieve some sort of satisfaction of pay back: "He has been blaming our father for treating H. too liberally; and swears he will reduce him to his right place-" (19). As a child, Heathcliff already recieved the good end of the spectrum by being treated well by his father and shouldn't punish Heathcliff just for being jealous, regardless if Hindly treated Heathcliff unfairly.
ReplyDeleteBut I believe that Hindley deserves any punishment that Heathcliff would inflict on him. Hindley had always treated Heathcliff atrociously and even at his young age, Heathcliff never reacted back to Hindley's blows or pinches, but acted "as if he had hurt himself by accident and nobody was to blame" (34). I do agree that Hindley was only concerned about Heathcliff's presence in the family as well as their relationships because Earnshaw had believed Heathcliff and "petted him up far above Cathy" (34). So Heathcliff can punish him for what Hindley had done to him, but his revenge should not exceed to something higher as a murder.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you Jijil because no matter what treatment they were given when they were young, it doesn't constitute any form of revenge. It is typical for siblings to fight, but by continuing to take revenge on the other it just prolongs the wrong behavior, as Christine said, in a continuous cycle. Getting revenge on Hindley won't solve any problems between the brothers or even make the jealousy and animosity decrease, it will just cause more problems between Heathcliff and Hindley.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Hindley has treated Heathcliff abominably, however that does not give him the right to do whatever he wants to him. Just because you are treated unfairly it doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want to the person who did wrong to you. Hindley treats Heathcliff very badly and in result, "he seemed a sudden patient child; hardened, perhaps, to ill treatment" (34). This shows that Hindley has tormented Heathcliff so much that he is now a different person. I believe that revenge should be equal or less bad/evil than the first act received. Therefore Heathcliff is subject to revenge however, it should not be any punishment at all. For example, murder is too extreme because no one was killed previous to this, making murder unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteI also disagree with Jijil because i feel it is unfair for anyone to give any treatment they feel is necessary to some one they are seeking revenge on. I do, however, agree with Jenna and Christine when they said it was like a continuous circle. I think that Hindely might take Heathcliff's revenge as an opportunity for him to get revenge back which shows how the cycle will keep going. I also think it is somewhat demoralizing to treat people with inhumane cruelty which is another reason I do not think Heathcliff has the right to do whatever he wants for revenge on Hindley.
ReplyDeleteI understand that my claim was wrong and right now, I do believe that Heathcliff has no right to avenge upon Hindley. But I still believe Heathcliff can bring out revenge on Hindley, because he has been treated harshly most of his childhood. But do you think Heathcliff taking care of the Earnshaw house and Hareton is the right way to execute the revenge?
ReplyDelete